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		<title>By: Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.blixtsystems.com/2010/04/html5-canvas-proprietary-apple-technology/comment-page-1/#comment-38466</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Oct 2010 20:58:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Ivan,  I went through the same with Adobe.  But they changed the restrictions not long ago (a year, or so).  You can now freely download the spec and make a swf player.  They were probably feeling the pressure on their closed ecosystem and change it just enough, kind of like Microsoft now doing opensource.  Of course, because it still a closed development your player would always be playing catch up with Adobe&#039;s one.  I agree swf should be open like PDF is now. Would be fun to see Apple&#039;s reaction to that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ivan,  I went through the same with Adobe.  But they changed the restrictions not long ago (a year, or so).  You can now freely download the spec and make a swf player.  They were probably feeling the pressure on their closed ecosystem and change it just enough, kind of like Microsoft now doing opensource.  Of course, because it still a closed development your player would always be playing catch up with Adobe&#8217;s one.  I agree swf should be open like PDF is now. Would be fun to see Apple&#8217;s reaction to that!</p>
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		<title>By: Ivan Georgiev</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ivan Georgiev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Oct 2010 10:50:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;ve gotta bi kidding, saying that Flash is open ?! Have you tried to get a legal description of _anything_ connected with Flash from Adobe? I&#039;ve tried - a several years ago, indeed. After several step registration, with steps among which I&#039;ve had to testify that I&#039;m not going to use the documentation for creating a SWF player (!!) I&#039;ve received a link to download SWF format description, shortly after it became outdated and there were NONE for the new version.

Not even speaking for FLA description. I&#039;ve liked Flash a lot - it had a great potential for making web AND desktop applications much more user-friendly, interactive and intuitive. It had the potential of bringing the interactivity we have now on iPhone (and similar) several years before iPhone appeared. But they failed. They wanted to suck the market as much as possible making no real efforts in developing the technology and like each company doing so they got f*** and I&#039;m happy with that.

Why didn&#039;t they make a decent, hardware accelerated SWF player for all platforms?
Why didn&#039;t they make at least an open API so that SWFs can be embedded and integrated with something else?
Why didn&#039;t they opened the SWF standard so someone else can write a fast player if they can&#039;t do so?

HTML5 is open, as open as every other standard on the web - it has a absolutely free, available description on the web - free of any registrations too. Just like HTML, SVG, XML, etc. I still think that Flash has something very advantageous in its platform - the development GUI, but I&#039;m pretty sure that Adobe&#039;s pinheads won&#039;t make any effort and will loose completely, which is a pretty normal consequence in the market.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;ve gotta bi kidding, saying that Flash is open ?! Have you tried to get a legal description of _anything_ connected with Flash from Adobe? I&#8217;ve tried &#8211; a several years ago, indeed. After several step registration, with steps among which I&#8217;ve had to testify that I&#8217;m not going to use the documentation for creating a SWF player (!!) I&#8217;ve received a link to download SWF format description, shortly after it became outdated and there were NONE for the new version.</p>
<p>Not even speaking for FLA description. I&#8217;ve liked Flash a lot &#8211; it had a great potential for making web AND desktop applications much more user-friendly, interactive and intuitive. It had the potential of bringing the interactivity we have now on iPhone (and similar) several years before iPhone appeared. But they failed. They wanted to suck the market as much as possible making no real efforts in developing the technology and like each company doing so they got f*** and I&#8217;m happy with that.</p>
<p>Why didn&#8217;t they make a decent, hardware accelerated SWF player for all platforms?<br />
Why didn&#8217;t they make at least an open API so that SWFs can be embedded and integrated with something else?<br />
Why didn&#8217;t they opened the SWF standard so someone else can write a fast player if they can&#8217;t do so?</p>
<p>HTML5 is open, as open as every other standard on the web &#8211; it has a absolutely free, available description on the web &#8211; free of any registrations too. Just like HTML, SVG, XML, etc. I still think that Flash has something very advantageous in its platform &#8211; the development GUI, but I&#8217;m pretty sure that Adobe&#8217;s pinheads won&#8217;t make any effort and will loose completely, which is a pretty normal consequence in the market.</p>
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		<title>By: komodo</title>
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		<dc:creator>komodo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Aug 2010 02:03:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well to further Apple&#039;s proprietary control over these technologies, they&#039;ve taken out the invalid patent of converting JavaScript into any intermediate representation:

http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20100153929

In this case they quote LLVM IR (no surprises given they have been contributing to this open source project even though they are going to seal off the project with these sorts of patents).  Completely invalid as they are just patenting the whole UCSD p-System.

Any JavaScript frontend for generating IR would violate this patent (they even mention LLVM IR explicitly in this patent).  The patent harms anyone considering using LLVM as an intermediate between JavaScript and back-end machine specific executables.

Given this is one of the prime means of accelerating their HTML5+JavaScript efforts it seems they are just as much about empire building as Adobe&#039;s proprietary efforts (i.e. you can&#039;t call Apple highminded in this discussion ... just more attempts at accumulating market power).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well to further Apple&#8217;s proprietary control over these technologies, they&#8217;ve taken out the invalid patent of converting JavaScript into any intermediate representation:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20100153929" rel="nofollow">http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20100153929</a></p>
<p>In this case they quote LLVM IR (no surprises given they have been contributing to this open source project even though they are going to seal off the project with these sorts of patents).  Completely invalid as they are just patenting the whole UCSD p-System.</p>
<p>Any JavaScript frontend for generating IR would violate this patent (they even mention LLVM IR explicitly in this patent).  The patent harms anyone considering using LLVM as an intermediate between JavaScript and back-end machine specific executables.</p>
<p>Given this is one of the prime means of accelerating their HTML5+JavaScript efforts it seems they are just as much about empire building as Adobe&#8217;s proprietary efforts (i.e. you can&#8217;t call Apple highminded in this discussion &#8230; just more attempts at accumulating market power).</p>
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		<title>By: venkatnarayan B</title>
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		<dc:creator>venkatnarayan B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 May 2010 09:14:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adobe is an Open Company. Apple is closed everybody knows that. Apple is one evil company.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adobe is an Open Company. Apple is closed everybody knows that. Apple is one evil company.</p>
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		<title>By: Occasional Thoughts</title>
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		<dc:creator>Occasional Thoughts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2010 21:21:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Adobe: Creative Suite 6 not on Mac OS...&lt;/strong&gt;

Some thoughts of what could happen if that headline above could become a reality. 
Most probably you&#039;ve already heard about Steve Jobs dislike of the Adobe Flash Player. A War that started when it was announced that the iPad will not support Flash an...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Adobe: Creative Suite 6 not on Mac OS&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Some thoughts of what could happen if that headline above could become a reality.<br />
Most probably you&#8217;ve already heard about Steve Jobs dislike of the Adobe Flash Player. A War that started when it was announced that the iPad will not support Flash an&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Leo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2010 06:32:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Nick

You seem to be confusing free as in beer with free as in speech. The fact that you don&#039;t need to pay a fee to use the canvas does not make the canvas open.

Say I want to develop a &quot;canvas 2.0&quot; with some changes and added features.
Would the W3C license allow me to do that?
As a layman, looking at the W3C terms it doesn&#039;t seem like it.

Why do you think Apple does not donate the canvas, rather than licensing it?
If it&#039;s the same thing as you seems to claim, wouldn&#039;t it look better when trying to make them self look like proponents of open standards?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Nick</p>
<p>You seem to be confusing free as in beer with free as in speech. The fact that you don&#8217;t need to pay a fee to use the canvas does not make the canvas open.</p>
<p>Say I want to develop a &#8220;canvas 2.0&#8243; with some changes and added features.<br />
Would the W3C license allow me to do that?<br />
As a layman, looking at the W3C terms it doesn&#8217;t seem like it.</p>
<p>Why do you think Apple does not donate the canvas, rather than licensing it?<br />
If it&#8217;s the same thing as you seems to claim, wouldn&#8217;t it look better when trying to make them self look like proponents of open standards?</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2010 00:55:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is FUD. You removed the most relevant line from your quote: &quot;Apple later disclosed the patents under the W3C&#039;s royalty-free patent licensing terms.&quot; Why did you cut that line out? 

See--in 2007, HTML5 was the work of WHAT-WG, a group *unrelated* to W3C. WHAT-WG did not have a policy on patent licensing. But later, WHAT-WG started working with W3C, which *does* have a patent policy. And now Apple does adhere to that policy with respect to Canvas, just as they said they would.

Ask Mozilla if Canvas is Apple proprietary. Ask Opera if Canvas is Apple proprietary. Ask anybody who actually knows what the hell is going on with HTML5. They will tell you that you&#039;re wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is FUD. You removed the most relevant line from your quote: &#8220;Apple later disclosed the patents under the W3C&#8217;s royalty-free patent licensing terms.&#8221; Why did you cut that line out? </p>
<p>See&#8211;in 2007, HTML5 was the work of WHAT-WG, a group *unrelated* to W3C. WHAT-WG did not have a policy on patent licensing. But later, WHAT-WG started working with W3C, which *does* have a patent policy. And now Apple does adhere to that policy with respect to Canvas, just as they said they would.</p>
<p>Ask Mozilla if Canvas is Apple proprietary. Ask Opera if Canvas is Apple proprietary. Ask anybody who actually knows what the hell is going on with HTML5. They will tell you that you&#8217;re wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: MySpivey.com :: Principal :: Blend, Denver</title>
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		<dc:creator>MySpivey.com :: Principal :: Blend, Denver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2010 20:47:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] proving Apple is wrong for you. Steve Jobs on Flash: Correcting the Lies I’d rather be a Woz HTML5 canvas proprietary Apple technology On Adobe, Flash CS5 and iPhone Applications Flash is as open as [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] proving Apple is wrong for you. Steve Jobs on Flash: Correcting the Lies I’d rather be a Woz HTML5 canvas proprietary Apple technology On Adobe, Flash CS5 and iPhone Applications Flash is as open as [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Jobs Is Full Of It</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Jobs Is Full Of It</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2010 19:34:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] standards committee has produced, still to this day. Odd, Apple claimed itself as proprietor of the HTML canvas element on March 14 2007. I quote, &#8220;WebKit forwarded an email from Apple’s Patent Counsel which [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] standards committee has produced, still to this day. Odd, Apple claimed itself as proprietor of the HTML canvas element on March 14 2007. I quote, &#8220;WebKit forwarded an email from Apple’s Patent Counsel which [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jobs lies in "thoughts on Flash" &#124; blixtsystems.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jobs lies in "thoughts on Flash" &#124; blixtsystems.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2010 15:45:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] And let&#039;s not forget that the canvas is Apple&#039;s proprietary technology. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] And let&#8217;s not forget that the canvas is Apple&#8217;s proprietary technology. [...]</p>
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